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Last Post 10/15/2012 9:34 AM by  Ronald and Dwinn
Final Assignment: Observations on the Movie AGORA
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lightson
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08/01/2012 3:19 PM
Pretty heady stuff, this gory Agora, themed with so much pathos. hatred of the truth, animosity to admirally
intelligent philosopher/science-oriented Hypatia. She simply wanted to share her enthusiasm of geometrey
and other things, to show others, especially men to whom she felt no inequality. the beauty and wonder of
the universe as she observed it was worthy of so much interest and speculation, as she pondered the stars
in the heavens.

Her reward for such lofty thinking..abominable hatred, ignorance, displaced animosity to the truth, even
the lack of tolerance for differences of views. I say this, you say that, and for that I should and would
kill you! Oh mankind, oh savage heads and breasts who bare arms against those who do not believe as
we do. oh wounded pride, and small minds, what have you done, in disgracing the marvelous organ or man's mind, to hold in contempt others, especially a strong-minded woman who simply allowed other
men to experience what she was teaching, using the socratic method. Hurrah for her soul, for not
distancing herself from her students, whom she so carefully nurtured and guided with that wonderful mind.

Such a sorry state that in the misunderstanding of the value of learnings preserved in the Library of Alexandria, or did the destroyers really not know what great was the value within? They could destroy
the physical edifice, but could not destroy the mind of those who saw the truth, held up the worth of
learning, even at the risk of being bullied, spat at, stabbed by mindless hatred and intolerance. I
was appalled at the destruction of the Buddha statues in the mideast, and wondered at the brittle
and small minds which lead to that.

So civilization continues on, truth is evoked as by the scientist who 1200 years later corroborated
Hypatia's theory of the sun being so central to the planets. Great hatred still manifests in mad
acts committed in the name of God, women still being treated like beasts and worse, cities and towns
still being destroyed by those whose rigid minds cannot wrap around the fact that we all learn and
share with our beings with heart and souls, bear common needs and desires, aspirations, and above
all that we believe in God, just not necessarily in the same image. who would believe in an uncaring
wreckless God who would subject others, especially women, to such low estates?

But we are making progress, as evidenced by people like you and I, and politicians, leaders of
many walks who realize that the only real solutions are those born of common bonds, out of each
other's heart, beyond the bounds of mental audacity and gross stupidity. we owe so much to
the masters for being the wayshowers, the brave and stalwart who endured so much agony and
torment to preserve for future humanity and today's the means to make amends with the past, to go
and become beings we were meant to be to the glory of God, the All in All, that brilliant and shiny
light within and without.
Eileen
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08/07/2012 4:37 PM
On one level, life hasn't changed a lot since the time of Hypatia. Violence and bloodshed still prevails between various religious. Although it’s not the Christians now, it’s factions of the Muslim faith that think bloodshed is the key to victory. I’m sure this, too, shall pass.
On the other hand, women now have rights in most countries. In America and the west, although this began in the late 1800’s. it wasn’t until the late 20th century it became very evident that women were a force of strength. We now have female executives and heads of state. Looking back 1700 years, Hypatia was killed because she was an strong, enlightened independent thinking woman, something that was not tolerated by the Christian male dominated society.
Although women are still treated as less than their male counterparts in some regions, this is changing. Even in many countries in the Middle East, women are beginning to find their strength, are being educated and becoming independent.
The hour of the woman is come.
Doreen
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08/08/2012 10:40 PM
My Experience Of The Agora Movie

The extreme fanaticism and violent behaviour of Christianity
in this movie was deplorable. Death to many and all manner of bloodshed treated as the norm of life.

Having heard of the destruction of the Library Of Alexandria,
brought a greater understanding of this historic situation.

During my years of receiving the masters teachings through
Elizabeth Clare Prophet, I recall the masters admonishment
to "stop fanaticism". I did recognize this thread within
my own being, having been brought up in the christian tradition. I now more fully understand how I could still have remains of this when observing the levels of fanaticism
and insanity brought against those who did not follow
demands of the christian faith.

As I meditate upon this, I see that today we still deal with levels of this energy in non-acceptance of different faiths
or masters.

Hipathia exhibited great mastery through situations. Her
quest for the sun brought to mind how she was consumed with
this and the joy she experienced as she received a glimpse
of a realization of the world being round and a connection
to the sun.

I saw her quest to fulfill her mission within her heart as
a burning desire to know the sun as she pursued and found it.
Today she comes having fully realized this burning quest within and now to show the way.

I give my gratitude to Hipatchia and her many embodiments
where she unrelentlessly pursued her burning heart to bring
enlightenment to all she came to serve.

Thank you Clare de lis.

I also reflected upon the idea that in viewing this lifetime
of someone who is so dear to my heart now, I may have been
given an opportunity to have possible karmic unresolved
issues come to the surface for transmutation.

Was I in Alexandria then?

These are my gleamings of viewing the movie Agora.



Mariah
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08/17/2012 9:19 AM
Agora, the movie, is an example of a civilization controlled by the human ego. There are three social groups: Christians, Jews and Pagans who are unable to live together in peace and harmony. Over a short period of time, the Christians are able to take control of Alexandria obtained by much violence and destruction and left the Jewish and pagan communities powerless.

I find one character unwilling to participate in these chaotic actions of pride; her name is Hypatia. Hypatia is a female teacher of philosophy and astronomy, imparting her knowledge of Plato and Aristotle to her pupils who include pagans, Christians and Jews. She continued to give her wisdom teachings to her father and other men in leadership positions for defending freedom and gave philosophical solutions to guide them which they continually ignored. This eventually led to her murder. She was unable to conform to the ruling party’s dogma. At one point in the movie, she is telling one of her former pupils who is now a Christian Bishop: You do not question what you believe; I must question what I believe. Shortly thereafter she is led by a band of zealous Christians who put her to death.

This movie can assist us in our spiritual work by following her example. She had such a strong virtuous personality that kept her focused on her beliefs and principles that she gave her life living up to them. She followed her inner voice and remained true to her heart. I am grateful to have this piece of history brought to my attention and have Agora in my life by posting this on the Forum, for Agora is a Place to speak in Public. Thank You!
Guiomar Rodriguez
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08/23/2012 3:00 PM
The essay that I will be given below is based on the central theme of the movie "Agora", which is the life of Hypatia, equally, I will mention the historical moment in which events were developed with religious cultural socio politic characteristics, as well as the impact that these changes had on society at that time. I will conclude with the contribution that we as a spiritual group can do in these times of transition.

1. The film itself is based on the life of a great woman by the name Hypatia of the 4th century. Who was Hypatia? She was a woman with a brilliant mind in the City of Alexandria, she was a great logical thinker a mathematician, philosopher, astronomer, and musician, among others. She wrote several books on algebra, geometry, and astronomy; she improved the astrolabes (which determines the positions of the stars), invented the hydrometer. But her most important achievement was the study on Conic Curves, one of which governs the movement of the planets. Most of her work was lost, particularly the study of Conic Curves, and only after 1,200 years, the mathematician Johannes Kepler made this discovery again. Most Hypatia’s work is known thanks to the writings done by her disciple Sinesio of Cyrene, cleric of the Catholic Church.

But, why is this great woman so important for us? The reason is because she was one of the incarnations of our beloved Clare de Lis, Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
The film shows us in part of how was this incarnation, it has some inaccuracies and omissions, and although it tries to live up to its name, it doesn’t come close to the reality of her time on earth as Hypatia. I dare to say that as important as her intellectual life was, her spiritual life was as well.

Hypatia worked during this incarnation purifying her soul and her spirit, her life was prudent, virtuous, and chaste. She was characterized as a benevolent woman, just, pious, full of love, serving, etc... She was the head of the Neoplatonic School of Alexandria, follower of Plotinus a philosopher - Mystic Neoplatonist, who believed in the ONE (God), NOUS (light) and the SOUL. She was never an atheist; moreover, in her times she was not judged nor condemned for being an atheist, she was listed as such two centuries later when a Coptic Bishop, belonging to the Egyptian Catholic Church of John of Nikiû, names her a such in order to justify her death. Her death was violent and cruel in the hands of fanatical hordes. We could consider Hypatia as a martyr of the transition of ages.

2. The murder of Hypatia by orders of Cyril Patriarch of the Catholic Church of Alexandria, occurred four centuries after the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Roman Empire was nearing its end, the followers of Jesus Christ had established the Christian Church and the emperors that assumed power had converted to Christianity, we could say that Alexandria was for that time an intellectual Oasis in a desert of ignorance. Four centuries later, the process of transition from an Era to another continued. Fanaticism, struggles for economic, political and religious power, within the newly founded Catholic Church was already part of the new standard of life, that subjugated all segments of society, reaching an over-extended power of control and dominion over all; all those who were not Christian were declared heretic. Because of having her own kind of belief in God different from the Christian belief (without being atheist), was sufficient to declare Hypatia a heretic and condemn her to death

In this context, a city like Alexandria represented a challenge to the new order and as a consequence, in the eyes of the newly formed Christians, it needed to be cracked. This crack down began with the destruction of the library of Alexandria as well as the statue of its sponsor Serapis Bey (flame of Ascension); then, the death of Hypatia, the perfect symbol of the flame of the Mother (you know, there is a direct relationship between the Chakra of the Base and the Chakra of the Third Eye, without the light of the Mother there is no art, science, mathematics or philosophy). The light of the mother was vanished from the Classical Era, and as a result so was the manifestation of Light in an era of darkness.

The death of Hypatia and the destruction of the library of Alexandria marked the end of an Era for a small portion of the planet. However, the impact was global when the Catholic Church spread west, re-defining history as before and after Christ. Nowadays the concept of an Era change is spreading throughout the planet as a result of mass media communication and technology. We have at our disposal increasingly sophisticated channels that allow us to witnesses the happenings of the planet, its wars, famines, natural disasters, etc.
I wonder if the changes were really positive or negative. What was the contribution of the Catholic Religion in the new order? What was its contribution to humanity? With the exception of the Saints who understood, interiorized, and embodied the teachings of Jesus, what can we find that allows us to say that the change was positive for humanity.

3. In appearance there is nothing positive, but that is only in appearance, because in these two thousand years of "darkness", we had the opportunity to move forward in our Christian path, first to accept Jesus as the Christ, with Jesus cleaning (of demons) of the path between us (physical realm) and heaven (the real of the I am presence). The path of ascension was finally within our reach, the opportunity to purify our soul through "the via dolorosa", through service, through giving, etc.. all of it helped our soul prepare to welcome the age of Aquarius; to find and accept our Holy Christ/Buddha Self, the I AM Presence, the Ascended Master and everything that comprises the New Age.

4. What would be then our spiritual work in the present circumstances? The answer is, to continue what we are doing right now: follow the path of the bodhisattva that we started with this dispensation from The Hearts Center, devoting our lives to the salvation of all conscious beings of the planet and the cosmos, through sacrifice, surrender, selflessness and service; by giving our life on behalf of our brothers, by being examples of compassion, goodness, mercy, and love. We know this and we are working on it.

What more can we do? Visualize perfection in oneself and our brothers, continue the ritual of the Sunrise, pray, decree, sing, dance, meditate, visualize the golden age; follow the path marked by Ascended Master in this dispensation of The Hearts Center, as well as all other dispensations that are coming, in other words stay in direct contact with our Older Brothers, the Ascended Masters, our Holy Christ/Buddha Self, our I Am Presence, our Threefold Flame. And declare here and now the Kingdom of God on Earth.

Thanks,

Guiomar
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