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15 Feb 2010 06:54 PM  
I just wonder what this Community is doing to save this country, this place we call home, the place we are standing on...The only thing that I hear and see is more wishful thinking and very little practicality. Most of the post and subjects are empty, devoid of real espiritual practicality. This Community is supposed to have the mantel of the Masters...I don't see it.
I see this nation going to oblivion, perdition and despair and what the so called Ascended Masters followers do?? Very little if anything..perhaps you can show me the contrary..I doubt it.
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16 Feb 2010 03:33 PM  
A fiery post, Arturo. The answer you are looking for will certainly vary from person to person. I am curious as to what it is that has caused you to think that people in the Hearts Center are doing 'little if anything' to help our country? My own observation of most of the people in the Hearts Center is quite different, as I am aware of enormous personal effort and sacrifice on a daily basis for the advancement of all souls everywhere.

The Hearts Center is a spiritual organization, so any efforts on our part to improve our country will naturally involve spiritual solutions. Our forum also has a spiritual orientation. We avoid political activity as the tax-exempt status of religious organizations is dependent on doing so. This means that any practical involvement in the political arena must be done on an individual basis on one's own time.

My personal view is that prayer, and especially group prayer, is a very practical way to bring about change in our society. Our community spends a great deal of time praying for right decisions and right solutions. How helpful have we been? Only God knows for sure. I believe that countless daily miracles go unseen by mankind, and that the conditions in our society, as challenging as they are at this time, would be much more severe without the prayer work that we do.

Our Meru University courses are especially designed to develop practical spirituality in our daily lives. The masters have taught us that raising the level of our own conscious awareness helps to elevate the consciousness of others, which benefits society as a whole. Our Meru students understand this teaching and their level of participation in both the classes and the Meru forum is a testimony to their desire to bring about improvement for all.

Our main forum currently has fourteen individual forums which were created to keep messages organized. The topics within each forum were created by individuals within our community who believed their topics were important enough to share with others. Anybody can create a topic that they believe promotes the teachings of the ascended masters in some way. Sharing the teachings is a primary purpose of the forum.

If you have any helpful thoughts or practical insights that you believe would be helpful to our community, please share them on the forum. New thoughts and ideas are most welcome. Improving our forum is a daily goal.
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16 Feb 2010 11:38 PM  
Dear Dean,
Thank you for responding in the very diplomatic way to a guy who has little patience for politically and so called espiritual correctness. I understand what you're saying regarding 'been careful what I say because of the Hearst Center Tax exemption'. So it is obvious then we can not discuss in this forum the seriousness of the country political, social and spiritual situation. Our so called leaders are looting the destiny of this nation and we can not discuss it because somebody might get offended or worse...a pity indeed.
America has been lost and what do we have?? A nation of down-dumb people incapable to raise up and challenge of the oppressors. At least with the Summit Lighthouse we had people stumping up and down this nation spreading the Light and Message of the Masters, keeping the dark ones on check, if you will...now the light bearers go to stump other nations, other lands while America thinks deeply into the hole. So what about America destiny? I could be more blunt and direct with the message or lack of it coming from the your Center but I will leave it. You might say..I am pessimistic. Look around my friend and tell me what do you see..
Seems to me now it is the time to come higher and find solace and peace in the Presence as never before. Anything else is a farce.
Vaya con Dios..
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17 Feb 2010 04:24 AM  
I think each of us is helping to Save America with every prayer we give on her behalf, every morning, every evening, each event, where we call for the protection of our nation, our president, our leaders, our economy, our education, right and divine solutions, divine inspiration upon leaders, our votes, our personal causes that we volunteer in, unsung heroes of the light. Our sons and daughters that are in Iraq. Our prayers given with the morning breaking of day. Our services and events upheld instead of partying and other more enjoyable activities. Our lives are free-will chosen to be sacrificial, and sacrifice has been an American way. Every vigil on the 4th and the 7th of the month, that provides light energy for El Morya and Saint Germain to step through the veil and assist where the greatest need is. Every volunteer hour that members give to the local communities in which they live, to support their family, friends, co-workers, those less fortunate. In every one of these acts, we joyfully, practically, SAVE AMERICA. And we have love and energy enough to go on pilgrimages and give to other countries, too.
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17 Feb 2010 04:54 AM  
We are co-creating our own world daily. If what we see is evil, bad and decadent through our own vision, then that is what we are creating. If we see a beautiful world of beauty, divine light and joy, then this is manifesting. For some of us a golden-crystal age is already manifesting within our own consciousness and being. Ultimately we can only fully change ourselves, so we can start right here, right now.
One of the very practical things that we have promoted recently is for each of us to create our own space of love around ourselves by growing our own food indoors and outdoor, planting and nurturing a garden, planting trees, and bringing permaculture to the world in our immediate environs. This is hands on and practical.
Many of us arise well before dawn and give over 2 hours of prayers, invocations and devotional songs, including a rosary daily. The rosary has been known to have saved various nations from succumbing to the challenges of communism. Mother Mary is one of the most practical masters in heaven and works tirelessly for the people of earth. We in The Hearts Center are supremely dedicated to Mary in our daily devotions. She knows how to save the world. Witness what she did at Fatima.
I just returned from St. Louis with my wife where we prayed, meditated, sang and focused on sending light throughout America during the event. Numerous people who have been long-time students of the masters in other movements came and were thrilled with the feeling of community and love that we have.
I suggest that you actually come to a physical event and see the physical results of what we do. Attend an actual Meru University class and witness the light that can help transform your consciousness.
Saving America occurs heart by heart by heart. Our work is by its very nature at more of an etheric level. The masters and angels receive the energy we invoke and direct it to where it is required most. In some cases political situations are directly effected and profoundly impacted. If you could actually see on inner planes what occurs through this level of conscious prayer, you would be amazed. Bless you.
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20 Feb 2010 08:40 PM  
Thank you David for your words.
I wish we could be here 50 years ago when America began her down spiral if not before, then your practical plans for loving action could have transformed this America by this year into a new truly golden age society...but it is not. We are into the year 2010 and this America, the hope of the earth, has been transformed into a nightmare for her people and many nations, not by design but a well coordinate plan by the power elite determined to take this world to a facist world goverment.
I understand where are you are coming from but it is just a wishful thinking, a dream, when reality is telling us the opposite.
Wars, poverty, economic collapse is the order of the day with not end to see but a well coordinated plan to take this world by force and control it. I heard from you that the masters wants a world goverment...that is quite interesting.
Dear David, this country is too far gone and seems to me your organization does not see it or pretended is not there...
Obama is ready to take this nation to the next level of illuminati control and it won't be a 'loving' one!
So I wonder what is St Germain up to and the other Masters to 'save this nation' from the illuminati control and tyranny??
To be frank it is time to step through the veil and kick butt big time! with all due respect I said this...
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22 Feb 2010 09:55 PM  
Dear Arturo (cool name),

I felt similar feelings as you when I first came across the Hearts Center. I thought there was too much focus on love and kindness and Buddhism. I listen to news talk radio (Rush, Sean, Michael Savage)and I am concerned about America and protecting our Freedoms. I desire also to do something powerful to stop the villains.

I had been saying the rosary for many years for world peace using just CD's. I was looking for real people to pray the rosary with and I found them on on this website, on the live broadcasts.

Mother Mary has told people all over the world how reciting the rosary can bring Peace. There have been many miracles to prove Mary's promise.

Saying the rosary with the live broadcast has created within me more inner peace. I had not been able to sleep well for over 5 years and on the day I began saying the rosary with the broadcast, about a year ago, I began sleeping well and mostly still am sleeping well.

I am understanding how inner peace can reflect on the outer world. I remember when I was about 9 years old singing the song, "Let There Be Peace On Earth and Let It Begin With Me". That song would bring tears to my eyes even at a young age, I didn't know why. Now I am more deeply understanding Peace on earth begins with each individual.

I used to think that Buddhas (please forgive me) were wasting their time just sitting. I felt they were escaping life. Now I am understanding through many teachings I have learned through the Hearts Center on Buddhism and Anastasia, to name a few, the great power of visualizing and the power of creating through visualizing.

My focus now in dealing with current events and for the saving of America is to continue saying the rosary and to co-create with God and the Masters, using visualizations and decrees to keep America free. (I haven't quite got to meditating yet, but that could be an effective method to help bring Peace on this planet too.)

I have come to realize that the Hearts Center is creating Peace for this planet and for America through it's teachings, Heartstreams and services, more so than any other activity or church that I am aware of. That's why I am here! I feel this is the best place for me to contribute to the saving of souls and of the saving of this planet. I believe there is a perfect place for everyone to find the right fit, where they feel they can contribute to Peace most effectively.

I know people who have found great satisfaction in getting directly involved in politics, lobbying, speaking, writing articles, etc. Are you called to be involved this way? It is a noble calling when one upholds the light of freedom.


You sound like a fiery spirit Arturo! May God's Peace be with you always! -Lisa

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23 Feb 2010 05:02 PM  
I happen to remember one way Mother expressed what we are going through. It is like an X. The old order is collapsing at the same time the new order (of light) is being built. With that visualization, we don't look at the world situation in just a straight line, but can see concurrently new ways of doing life becoming the future. Therefore, the value of all the spiritual work mentioned above. We are living by faith, not doubt, that God has promised the victory to the light.
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24 Feb 2010 09:18 PM  
Thank you Illona and Lisa for your comments.
We have been decreeing for the last 60 plus years and where are the changes? Where are the victories?? At personal/individual levels some people have made it to their personal enlightment and eternal freedom. At the country’s level we are in the worst possible position than ever..worst than Atlantis. I love America and her people but not what America has become..what I know about what is really going on in this country will make many in this Center not to believe it. It is incredible! It is not that I dwell in negativity..but what could I tell to My Beloved in the day of my judgment when we are face to face?? That I hide, cover my eyes, mouth and ears? Not, I could not nor I will shut up. I will speak it loud and clear for all to hear!
You can say many things about Elizabeth Clare Prophet but she never shut up regarding America's political, spiritual and social affairs. She was very critical and so I am..The TRUTH is offensive..so be it. People has the right to know. We are not 10 years old teens any more!
The daddy, mommy days are over. We are entering Aquarius and the motto is I KNOW...and I demand to know what is really going on in this country and so called spiritual places.
The American people has been lied for too long. They deserve better. And it is time for the Masters to tell us what are the specifics plans to Save this great nation from a total take over by the Illuminati.
It is quite wonderful dear Lisa you found peace...I will find peace when this country, planet free themselves from the reptilian/Illuminati/Jesuits individuals and their creation and be no more..in that day I will cry..
Free, Free, Free, Thanks to God Almighty and the Powers of Light we are free at last!!
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28 Feb 2010 02:52 AM  
I think we all feel the same--that we want to do what we can to make the world a better place than today or yesterday or 60 years ago. The question is--what is the most higly leveraged activity you or I or anyone can engage in to make changes? How can I effect the largest possible influence upon society and our fellow people for the better? What can I spend my time on so that when I look back at the end of my life I find that there was very little else I could have done to make more change for good? What is the answer to this question? I think it is probably different for each of us as is God's plan is different for each of us.

This is the way I think of it. How can I make the biggest impact today?

With regard to this I feel more at peace right now than I have for quite a while. And I don't mean simply personal tranquility and feelings--I mean the feelings we all have as a combined lifewave inhabiting the earth.

When I was meditating and working spiritually on the Chilean earthquake this morning I saw and felt with my spiritual vision over and over what I would call "the obvious effects of divine mercy and mitigation" in this event. And what I feel called to engage in very frequently these days is to hold a state of peace and gratitude to God and then to radiate that feeling through the heartflames of everyone on earth so that they feel it--feel loved, feel hope, feel a bright future. And I know for certain that if we keep doing this that there will be many intercessions--and Arturo I want to be very clear on this--I believe that there have been many, many, many intercessions in all these decades of prayers and decrees.

It seems as though you might believe that all these decades of prayers have had no effect. Or perhaps you feel that heavens response has not been enough.

But if you step back far enough and consider all the factors involved in a change from where the planet has been to a state which we call a golden age--you must realize that there will be catharsis, purging and strife in the nexus of the great change. It's something like a person goes through who has abused his body for many years and then begins to fast and purge and cleanse his body--it definitely seems much worse during the purging than either before or after it.

"We become what we behold"--and the reverse--"be the change you want to see". If all you see around you is darkness and strife then you are probably contributing to that reality.

If you desire to fight against this darkness through political means or chastising others or what have you--that's fine--it's much better than not caring. But look at how much influence you realistically have a chance of making. Via mundane ways such as these each of us has a chance to influence only a relative handful of others during our lives. But if you consciously tether yourself to your I AM Presence and therefor to the Presence of every other person on the planet then you have the ability to influence every soul every day. That's the power of prayer and meditation.
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01 Mar 2010 10:42 PM  
David Lewis mentioned that the Hearts Center work is etherical in nature...I just wonder where the physical work and building stand, you know this hard, dense atomic form we call physical..I know the ether is part of the physical universe in in highest atomic form. So wherever we build in this plane eventually will be destroyed, such is the case with my country Chile..it took 3 minutes to destroy the work of many, money and much effort in a country that is not poor but life ain't easy either..it is the nature of this plane of illusion and this is one more reminder of it. My heart goes to my people in this tragedy.
Yes, I am quite frustated with the nature of this plane and the hopelesness of building anything in this plane, our spiritual work means little when the soil or earth we are standing on it is moved, shaken and destroyed..we are quite blessed that is not the case in this USA just yet, but where i live
California,we have our shakes almost on daily basis.
I know that particular area of Chile has a tremendous amount of pollution due to forestation and mining, and the constant and stupid action by the corporation and industry of dumping all kind of pollutants in the ocean...in that area the ocean was so poluted you could not approach the ocean without a breathing mask! You might say elemental life had enough!
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02 Mar 2010 04:19 AM  
Dear Arturo, you sound young and wonderfully full of energy and 'rightous indignation' When I have felt like you do now, in the past....and I have. I would go down to the beach when it was mostly empty and yell and scream into the wind and the waves. Water representing the emotional body. I called God and the masters out too. It healed my Soul and in my dreams I learned how to deal with the world as it was in my experience then. Learning how to deal with helpless anger is a discipline that does not come easy. The tests you are going through now are part of your discipline on the Path it seems to me. My prayer for you is 'that you pass every test.
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02 Mar 2010 05:20 AM  
Dear Arturo,
Since you live in California... In October 2005 about 33 people participated in an 8-day pilgrimage to all 21 California Missions. Kuan Yin dictated each day and Mother Mary dictated 21 times--at each mission. In addition numerous other masters dictated. In each case they anchored great light deep into the earth, since we were following the San Andreas fault line by following El Camino Real. We did the rosary each morning. We prayed for hours as we traveled--primarily giving violet fire prayers for California. We visualized light going down into the earth everywhere we walked and drove. And the masters came through and told us that at one point 7000 souls were saved from the astral plane and taken to etheric octaves of light. We also saved thousands of souls from being lost (killed by earth changes) and that we had gained time for California. To me this is powerful work!
This morning I spoke on Morya's behalf about the problem with marijuana in California. Did you hear it? Just before that we gave 36 Astreas and I made powerful calls for the binding of the marijuana beast. As you probably know this is a major problem right now.
The type of service we are giving each morning is as spiritually powerful as many of the most fiery Saint Germain services that I was privileged to take part in and lead while I was on staff or serving as a board member at St. Mark's Church in Livingston. I can assure you that these sessions literally clear the planet of millions of discarnate entities and that the violet laser light flows into the atmosphere of the earth and all around it. After our session this morning the sky in Montana was clear blue and everything felt clean and fresh. I KNOW the effects of our dynamic prayers and decrees and songs.
I am making a greater impact on the world, by God's grace, then by engaging in all kinds of political activities or doing other work that many other folks have more talent than I have. I spiritually support the rescue workers (see our prayer to Archangel Michael, #10.016) by my calls. Archangel Michael is so tangible that often I not only feel his energy by see him in his full battle gear blazing blue lightning everywhere!
Like Boyd, I believe, I know and I AM the tangible manifestation of all that I envision, feel and pray for because of the grace of God, the mercy of God and the love of God.
Do not despair! Focus on the light, the good, the positive and the holy and it shall manifest!
Take care, brother of light.
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03 Mar 2010 06:32 AM  
Beloved Arturo,
It is very unusual for me to be on this forum for I, like so many of my brothers and sisters in this organization, am very busy saving America and do not have the time I would like for forums. Arturo, do you know what it is like to be fulfilling your Divine Plan, actually doing the work you were born to do? It is wonderful. You are full of joy every day and you don't have time to worry about who is or isn't doing what. That's what you need, my dear. To find out what you are supposed to be doing. Maybe you are like me and you need to take the light you invoke into the heart of darkness by working in the slums, or in places where power is misused. Somewhere where you can take that sense of justice and bring what is right to those who suffer. There is nothing wrong with this organization. It is not to be compared to others. The masters use David in the way that is right for this time, just as they used Mother in the way that was right for that time. Your work is not to judge and compare these. Your work is to discern your Divine Plan. Focus your ray on that. And love us. We are your sisters and brothers. We are not perfect and struggle like you. We are here to help each other. God speed you on your journey. Sheila
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03 Mar 2010 08:37 PM  
Hi,
Just to clarify... The Hearts Center work is "centered" around the spiritual path and yes, much of the work we do deals with invoking light within the etheric planes of being. However, I don't consider this to be impractical at all. In fact, when we understand how everything manifests first as an ideation, a divine thought, before it comes into physical reality, by directing our energies into this domain and visualizing and seeing a perfect world before us, we ARE creating it. Eventually these patterns of beauty cycle their way into the physical world as people pick up on these thoughts and begin to work with them to "anchor" them in the world.
So in a sense, we are actually the most practical people on earth, so long as we follow through with our meditations, visualizations and prayers with loving service to life. Elizabeth Clare Prophet gave a teaching years ago about the "realists" of Shambhala and how one day the entire realm of Shambhala disappeared from their sight because they were too much "realists" and had left off of following the spiritual ideals of the Brotherhood. I feel that most of us have evolved beyond believing that only that which we see in the physical is real, for there are many realities in other dimensional planes of being.
I appreciate ChelaSheila's comments. Being in harmony ourselves helps the harmony of the planet. When we find our center and live in our Presence then the world all around us is blessed.
The people that I know who are the most spiritual are always practical. Those who avoid dealing with the details of life---of working, paying their bills, serving others---in my opinion can claim to be spiritual when they may still have much to learn about the path.
I appreciate those who follow the golden rule, are kind, selfless, giving and joyful. Working in harmony with people like this will help save America.
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05 Mar 2010 07:18 PM  
My beloved brothers and sisters these lines will serve as a testimony and great gratitude to my beloved Presence, all the masters and angels and to you my brothers and sisters that continually have held my family and myself in your prayers. All blessings bestowed through them for through the light of love all are received.

Most of you know that my son Carlos was diagnosed with throat cancer stage 4 (terminal as per the medical profession) in 2006. My nephew Alfredo Xalapil Lopez with the same in 2009, my dear brother Juan with prostate cancer in 2008, and my brother in -law Alfredo Lopez Sr this past year. Several other challenges have been experienced by various members of my family as well as myself.

Surgeries and financial reverses akin to those suffered by the rest of the world and yet, all have been as the tsunami that blows across and afterword hary trees are found standing.

I attest to the Mercy and Glory of God and all his retinue as none of the persons mentioned have to this day one cancer cell in their bodies. Apart from the blessing of their total recuperation, I attest that during the period when they were being treated, at their own admission, they felt comforted and loved and were never anxious or doubted they would recover by God's Grace.

Being a cancer survivor myself, I know from personal experience how much a positive mental attitude contributes to the acceptance of the harsh treatments the medical profession imposes on any cancer patient, but, conversing with each one of them, they all speak of a great peace and a feeling of loving warmth, of nurturing.

Having mentioned to them that their names had been submitted to our prayer group and hundreds of people had been praying for them, they were humbled and with tears in their eyes they, grown men all, touched by the love expressed in that simple fact.....someone a total stranger, multiplied over and over, had had a hand in their healing..... for all of them know that their prayers had been answered. as experienced first hand that yours had also.

May the heavens grant you the long life and abundance needed to continue your sacred labor on behalf of each of the souls that are being touched and will continue to be touched thanks to your sacrifice. For I believe God put us on this earth to be of service to each other and human beings that we are, we forget. Lest we forget.
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06 Mar 2010 01:43 AM  
Thank you all for your words, suggestions and comments in how this beloved America can be saved..I hope that I am wrong and things will change for the better. Eh, in one time last year we all, the majority, were crying Change is coming! the Audacity of Hope! and wherever...I am still waiting!
We are grateful for you decrees, dear David, and I know they do changes, but dear goodness! changes for the better take a long time to come! I guess is one more day for opportunity, ah??
Yes, the 'weed' is a problem around here, but franckly without it Lake County, Mendocino would not have the revenues that the 'weed' generate...marihuana is not all that bad, it does have medicinals qualities, just do not smoke it. Hemp has many useful purposes. So is cocaine leaves in Bolivia and Peru...when I was there I had tea made of it just to cope with the altitude..the natives chew the leaves... just do not process the darn thing! So in my humble opinion I rather choose the middle way in this issue...
Yes, beholding Beauty and have a sense of wonder every day, N. Roerick was big in this, it might bring the changes that all of us are looking for...the mystery for me is how are we going to get rid off of Arhiman and his hosts once and for all..
that is practical spirituality!..or perhaps the lightbearers been the minority. less than 10%, we are not suppose to be here!
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08 Mar 2010 05:27 PM  
Correction.
I meant coca leaves..the final product is called cocaine, the Athaulpa curse against the white race who wiped out his race. Let this curse be deal with, my friends. Don't blame the producers but the consumers of this country and others who have created this beast. But there are other beasts to deal with and more important...the money beast, the banking and politics beasts. These beasts have total control of this country and others. Let's deal with them once for all. And only then the people of Light might have some sense of freedom and build a better society, a truly brother/sisterhood of Light. The priorities of this Heart Center are tunnel vision..must be you dear people living in Montana, isolated from the rest of the world. There is another world out of Montana..
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06 May 2010 02:17 AM by Surya

Dear Arthur, Thanks for your comments, I was thinking about this and remember what happened so many times that Masters could not intervene to help us because of we moved away from the light of the Masters. In Atlantis, Jesus as our ruler was seen we were being corrupted by a government minister (who was a fallen angel) but He (Jesus) could do nothing, because people had to pass a test. And so that He could not save us from ourselves. It also happened in the Golden Age of Saint Germain that was in the Sahara desert. When the people were corrupt, the Hierarchy withdrawal Master who was the ruler and his family, and then get another prince who by law of correspondence was there. I also remember that Saint Germain, showed that cities are made of ethereal substance of Divine Love and are indestructible therefore. We should be lowered to the physical plane those cities increasing the love in us, our home and people. Organizations such as The Hearts Center gives me hope that as humanity we can express and radiate that love to all to be healed and our cities will be also indestructible. Is not it wonderful that nothing could destroy our cities? As so often the Masters have told us the key is, love.
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